Okay check it out, start a band freshman year, spend 4 years in highschool listening to 9 Shox, Limpwrist, Deadfall and Scholastic Deth, fucking shit up in the pit at Burnt Ramen to all their favorites. Practicing and playing like maniacs, running the entire Warm Water Cove (SF) scene for 2 years w/ their generator giving shittons of bands a chance to play. I've literally watched these guys evolve into the fastcore, thrash, youth crew, HC powerhouse they are today.